I take those folks at their word after they had written it down.Tosh wrote:How do you know it's the 'original AA experience'?leejosepho wrote: None of this is about any outside issue -- I am only sharing the original A.A. experience and I do not mean to be presenting any kind of dogma.
Having done exactly as they have done, mine is the same.Tosh wrote:But rather than share about other people's experience, your own is more than sufficient.
Understood, and that is why even Bill just let alcoholism do all the "evangelizing", so to speak.Tosh wrote:I can see why some people get turned off from AA; it's not a religion; it's a spiritual program of recovery; but sometimes it's difficult to convey that to the skeptical newcomer who just sees it as another method for evangelising a faith.
Yes, and that is where/how/why Bill first learned to avoid sectarianism.Tosh wrote:Ebby Thatcher said to Bill, "Why don't you choose your own conception of God?"
There we can see a certain fine point you and I have yet to discuss: I share actual experience (just like in the book), and not mere intellectual content. Quoting books has never done much of anything for anyone, and Bill and the others never meant for their book of experience to be a bone of contention:Tosh wrote:So, given that you know our literature ...
"Our book is meant to be suggestive only. We realize we know only a little. We realize we know only a little. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us." (page 164)
Many people do try to bring in "outside stuff", however, and they do so even while specifically stating it did *not* come from God ...
... and so, we have this:
"Most of us sense that real tolerance of other people's shortcomings and viewpoints and a respect for their [rights to have their own] opinions are attitudes which make us more useful to others ..." (page 19)
... and that amounts to just sharing what we have learned and affording others their own opportunities to do as they please while learning for themselves.
I do not. I simply share (either in practice or in word) that the idea of "a god of your own understanding" cannot be found anywhere within "A.A.", the book.Tosh wrote:I still wonder why you disagree with other concepts of God?
Sure. It would seem He has breathed life into each of us.Tosh wrote:... in one religion, it is said that when God created man, God added a spark of himself inside each man.
... then to you, that is irrelevant, and that is fine with me.Tosh wrote:So, if I were to follow that religion (which I don't) ...
I was actually just thinking about that kind of thing while out on a smoke break -- My wife has asthma and I do not smoke inside our home -- and before returning and finding your post:Tosh wrote:And as the Anglican priest and member of my homegroup regularly says in his Texan accent, "Religion don't get you sober, but A.A. does!"
God provides permanent recovery and nobody complains when A.A. gets the credit;
Alcoholism drives people toward God and the rest of us get blamed!