Thanks Steven F, well putSteven F wrote:That's cool. Just two things about that:John Boy wrote:I have news for you yes there are other programs that don't use spirituality and REAL alcoholics are getting and staying sober as a result of them. Only you can't see beyond what is written in the BB.avaneesh912 wrote:There are the 'Real Alcoholics' and then there are imitations. Real alcoholics need spirituality. Now i am not saying AA is the only program out there but, some form of spiritual solution is a must.
1) In AA, the idea is to deflate ego and to grow spiritually. Well, you know all that I suppose.
2) This is an AA forum. In here, we discuss what the programme of AA entails, and we help eachother follow that programme.
We're not saying AA is the only solution, but it will be the only solution discussed in here. Because it is an AA group. If you or Kate would have a desire to advocate other programmes, please go to another appropriate forum. If you would have a desire to tell us that AA doesn't work and that we shouldn't bother, please refrain. You're in an AA group.
I imagine you can guess what happens if you would step into a restaurant saying "the food here won't do you any good, you should try out other places". You got in there because of a desire to stop being hungry, but I'm pretty sure you still would be asked to behave or to leave.
If you have worked the programme, and it didn't work for you, please say so. This being an AA group, I'm sure all of us in here will do our best to help you figure out what went wrong.
If you have worked the programme and it DID work for you, please talk about that.
If you have NOT worked or are NOT working the programme, then I would say it really doesn't matter what your opinions on it are. I'm not interested in what people think of AA. I'm interested in the experience they have with it.
IME around bars, I have seen many a person shown the door so they could go to that other bar that pleased them so much!