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To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Roman James » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:14 pm

Well, tomorrow will be 30 days of sobriety for me if I don't drink. Been going to discussion topic meetings only, until last week when I found a Big Book study group. Now I will go to both. I started reading the 12 and 12. I'll read the book cover to cover and then start working the steps. Well, that's the plan anyways.

One thing that has helped me is the phrase on the 24 hr chip that reads 'To Thine Own Self Be True'. I never really thought about these words before, and I'm not really sure what meaning it has associated with AA. The way I interpret it, is that I have to first be honest with myself before I can make this program work for me. If I'm not true to myself, how can I be true to someone else, or the AA program? I have finally accepted the fact that I have to be honest with myself, and admit that I have a problem, and deal with it.

I'm curious what others here think about the phrase, and how you interpret it? Am I close, or out in left field somewhere? Either way, it's helped me get 29 days of sobriety.

Thanks for reading.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby PaigeB » Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:27 pm

Hi Roman! Welcome to e-aa! We are a pretty lively board and I am sure others will be along in the next 24 hours to join in the discussion! I am super glad you found a Step meeting ~ working the Steps of AA is what saved my life. Though we may argue a few details, all will agree that the Steps are the way out of alcoholic hell.

To Thine Own Self Be True... Yes to me it means honesty, but it also reminds me that the AA way of Spirituality must come before an over demanding job, a relationship, a birthday party - or whatever. I have to put my sobriety at the top of my priorities because if I do not, then I will have nothing left but the alcoholic Hell.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby positrac » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:04 am

Roman, Welcome and keep going to meetings and learning the literature as it is the basis of our unity, recovery and step work. To Thy own Self Be True is for real and the sooner you get it then the sooner you can start working on you and becoming clearer in your actions and clarity with recovery.

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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby ann2 » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:10 am

Roman James wrote:The way I interpret it, is that I have to first be honest with myself before I can make this program work for me. If I'm not true to myself, how can I be true to someone else, or the AA program? I have finally accepted the fact that I have to be honest with myself, and admit that I have a problem, and deal with it.


Hi, welcome, good topic!

I'm Ann and I'm an alcoholic. This statement meant a lot to me too, so much so that I never even thought much about it . . . so thanks for giving me the nudge.

Yes, when I got to AA, it was because I couldn't accept the dishonesty of living one way while wanting another way. I didn't want to drink anymore and yet there I was, drinking. I was being dishonest to my self, the part of me that said "no!"

To gain an honest life, I needed to stop drinking and in order to stop, I needed help.

That was the truth, as I saw it. At that point I was willing to accept anything to get the help that I wanted. I was ready to die, to be frank. Every day was torture, but I didn't want to drink in order to escape the pain anymore . . . that was the dishonest method.

In AA I started learning how to live life in a way that gave me relief from the pain. The tools I was offered were a replacement for the previous MO, drinking. And they worked.

Living the AA way, I decreased rather than added to my problems (as I would have been using the drinking solution). And if it meant doing something I didn't want to do, well, I was willing to do it because more than anything, I didn't want to drink.

Thanks for letting me share,

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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Spirit Flower » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:38 am

It is a quote from Shakespeare. The rest of it is: "And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Duke » Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:54 am

Spirit flower beat be to this one. It's from Hamlet and is part of yet another of Polonius' long-winded speeches to his son, Laertes. He was warning Laertes to always take care of himself first, because if he didn't, he'd be no use to anyone.

I was a big Shakespeare fan in college, so it's difficult for me to hear anything but what the bard intended when he wrote it. Of course, his plays and words were always multilayered, so it's possible that he meant us to see some irony that Polonius' pompous advice also implies that self-awareness is essential to living a meaningful life. Self-awareness which he clearly lacked himself, of course.

Good stuff.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby PaigeB » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:04 am

always take care of himself first

Lest we befall all Shakespearean...

You know how the stewardess on the plane tells you to put on YOUR oxygen mask first, THEN your child's? Yea, because if you pass out from lack of oxygen, you will surely not be able to help your child.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Stepchild » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:14 am

I never really thought about these words before, and I'm not really sure what meaning it has associated with AA. The way I interpret it, is that I have to first be honest with myself before I can make this program work for me.


I'd say you are on the right track...From How It Works....

Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path. Those who do not recover are people who cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program, usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves. There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way. They are naturally incapable of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous honesty. Their chances are less than average. There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Mike O » Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:30 am

Honesty...rigorous honesty.

It's all too easy to rationalise being dishonest or doing the wrong thing. For me, it was also all too easy to keep on drinking in order to hide my dishonesty from myself.

To thine own self, be true.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Roman James » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:22 pm

Thanks for the replies everyone. I really appreciate it. Today is my 30th day of sobriety and I will celebrate by going to my court ordered DUI class tonight :mrgreen:
I will be attending this class every Tuesday night through next April 2017.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby positrac » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:59 am

Roman James wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone. I really appreciate it. Today is my 30th day of sobriety and I will celebrate by going to my court ordered DUI class tonight :mrgreen:
I will be attending this class every Tuesday night through next April 2017.

Roman this stuff right now really sucks and yet you have a chance to learn heaps from this ordeal and you are alive which is a good thing!

Hang in there and just let this process work for you and try not to drag your feet in your actions of not drinking and you'll see how you and the people in AA can change your way of life. Sounds cheesy and yet I am one of many who have over come the desire to drink for today.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby Roman James » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:13 pm

positrac wrote:
Roman James wrote:Thanks for the replies everyone. I really appreciate it. Today is my 30th day of sobriety and I will celebrate by going to my court ordered DUI class tonight :mrgreen:
I will be attending this class every Tuesday night through next April 2017.

Roman this stuff right now really sucks and yet you have a chance to learn heaps from this ordeal and you are alive which is a good thing!

Hang in there and just let this process work for you and try not to drag your feet in your actions of not drinking and you'll see how you and the people in AA can change your way of life. Sounds cheesy and yet I am one of many who have over come the desire to drink for today.

Thanks positrac!
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby PuppyEars » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:08 pm

Were you ever in the checkout line, someone drops a 20 and within a blink of an eye you step on it to hide it because your conscience got caught with its hand in the cookie jar? My decision in these types of lightning fast moments shows me if I am being true to myself.

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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby serendipity » Sat Sep 10, 2016 10:15 pm

It is a quote from Shakespeare. The rest of it is: "And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."


Thank you for sharing this. It deepens the meaning to me to know the origin. I, like some in this topic, wasn't exactly sure of how to interpret it.
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Re: To Thine Own Self Be True

Postby kdub720 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:19 am

Those words hit me hard. Recovery is individual to everyone. So to be true to yourself is the key to recovery. I often get confused on what my personal truth is. This is a great post that makes me think about my life through recovery. Being true and honest to myself is my biggest step I take in the 12 step process.
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