Is it really One Day at a Time?

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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby PaigeB » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:47 pm

Page 86-87 were the topic of the meeting I went to tonight named "The Basic Text." Their readings & sharing are focused on the first 164 pages.

It was good to see people growing and changing everyday and using the Big Book as our guide. I particularly like:
“What used to be the hunch or the occasional inspiration gradually becomes a working part of the mind.”

It talks to me of continuous action and practice and constant growth - something that we can only do daily to maintain our physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health. I do not think we are ever cured in full ~ we gradually become. We all have today.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby ezdzit247 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:51 pm

I should have made note that it is a Sandscrit Proverb. But you probably knew that I didn't write those beautiful words. :wink:


It's another Hindu proverb? I didn't know that. It's a keeper! I almost wrote that I liked it as much as the "many paths" proverb...:lol:
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby D'oh » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:04 pm

Thanks for reminding me Paige. An old Sponsor told me to read 83-86 every night, 86 to 88 every morning. I have been slipping on that.

I stumbled upon this poem, in a place I did not expect it. It helps. Not so much about Drinking, but about living.

THE DIFFERENCE



I got up early one morning and rushed right into the day. I had so much to accomplish that I didn't have time to pray. Problems just tumbled about me, and heavier came each task. "Why doesn't God help me?" I wondered. He answered, You didn't ask," I wanted to see joy and beauty, but the day toiled on, gray and bleak. I wondered why God didn't show me. He said, "But you didn't seek.: I tried to come into God's presence. I used all my keys at the lock. God gently and lovingly chided, "My child, you didn't knock." I woke up early this morning and paused before enter the day. I had so much to accomplish that i had to take time to pray.

Author: UNKNOWN


I realize it is not Conference Approved but helps.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:30 pm

I do not think we are ever cured in full ~ we gradually become.


i don't think anybody can claim that they are cured. Because we never took care of the physical part of the disease. All we did through the 12 steps is fix the way we think. That is the spiritual awakening. Thats why if people dont work the 12 steps continuously, hit the blind spot and take that insidious 1st drink (like the man of thirty) and get tangled in the vicious cycle again. If they are lucky they come back again and sober again. Some don't, like my friend Less who through away 30 years of sobriety because slowly slowly he drifted.

But what I am talking about is, just like I stated I don't obsess about alcohol or any other mind altering substance like before. I can even go to Las Vegas casinos if I want to and just gamble there and not be bothered about those girls in skimpy dress carrying around cocktails. Thats the 10th step promise. As long as I keep fit spiritual condition, my mind wont seek for alcohol.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:36 pm

Sandscrit Proverb.


Its Sanskrit. Some call it, the language of GODs. Vedic scriptures were written in this language. But its slowly dying. Very few scholars.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby PaigeB » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:24 am

avaneesh912 wrote:
Sandscrit Proverb.


Its Sanskrit. Some call it, the language of GODs. Vedic scriptures were written in this language. But its slowly dying. Very few scholars.

cool thanks!
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:34 am

Think the big question is:

Is this still true?

To them, their alcoholic life seems the only normal one.

OR having applied the principles, being transformed are you able to experience this?

On the other hand-and strange as this may seem to those who do not understand-once a psychic change has occurred, the very same person who seemed doomed, who had so many problems he despaired of ever solving them, suddenly finds himself easily able to control his desire for alcohol, the only effort necessary being that required to follow a few simple rules.

Simple terms is still alcohol running your life? Or have you found a solution to function normal like a human should?
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby D'oh » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:15 am

The fact that my sobriety has been maintained continuously for 131/2 years doesn’t allow me to think that I am necessarily any further away from my next drink than any of you people. I’m still very human, and I still think a double Scotch would taste awfully good. If it wouldn’t produce disastrous results, I might try it. I don’t know. I have no reason to think that it would taste any different — but I have no legitimate reason to believe that the results would be any different, either. They were always the same. I always wound up back of the dear old eight ball. I just don’t want to pay the bill, because that’s a big bill. It always was, and I think it would be even larger today because of what has gone on in the past 13 years. Being a bit out of practice, I don’t believe I’d last very long. I’m having an awfully nice time, and I don’t want to bump myself off, even with the “pleasures” of the alcohol route. No, I’m not going to do it, and I’m never going to as long as I do the things I’m supposed to, and I know what these things are. So, if I should ever get tight, I certainly would have no one but myself to blame for it.


From one of our Co Founders himself. Dr. Bob. True that a Vital Spiritual Experience is vital, but it is not an end. He goes on to state that a "Visit to the Boys in the Ward" helps to restore his thinking.

Just as soon as that idea that I could probably polish off a couple enters my mind, I think “Oh-oh. How about the boys in the ward? You’ve been giving them the semi-brush-off for the last few days. You’d better get back on the job, big boy, before you get into trouble.” And I patter right back and am much more attentive than I had been before I got the funny idea. But I do get it every once in a while, and I’ll probably go on getting it whenever I get careless about seeing the boys in the ward.


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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:47 am

From one of our Co Founders himself. Dr. Bob. True that a Vital Spiritual Experience is vital, but it is not an end. He goes on to state that a "Visit to the Boys in the Ward" helps to restore his thinking.


Are you saying you obsesses about alcohol or this thought of having a couple keeps popping in your head like Dr. Bobs? Maybe Bob never surrendered to the fact that he can't handle drink safely, who knows.

Edit: Also Obsession vs Occasional thought of a drink- there is a big difference. We never know what he means. For me, I don't have to go to a Beginners meeting to keep it "Green", if I see empty cans on the curb I know alcoholism is alive and going strong.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby D'oh » Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:07 am

Are you saying you obsesses about alcohol or this thought of having a couple keeps popping in your head like Dr. Bobs? Maybe Bob never surrendered to the fact that he can't handle drink safely, who knows.


No, I am well aware of what to do if I get those thoughts. Might be Why I go and see the" Boys in the Ward" more than some.

I am just mentioning that Alcohol is a Subtle Foe. It might be more dangerous for some to believe that after a Spiritual Awakening, those thoughts will no longer come into our daily activities.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby Brock » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:07 am

It might be more dangerous for some to believe that after a Spiritual Awakening, those thoughts will no longer come into our daily activities.

I agree, but if the thought comes the book says we pull away as from a hot flame, and even that I find is overdoing the reaction a bit. When we have discussed this here in the past, and at meetings I have heard recovered alcoholics as well say, that the most common reaction by far, is to almost smile and think 'where the hell did that thought come from,' especially since it seems to come out of the blue, as opposed to in a bar or party type setting.

I do trust that the wording “daily activities,” refers to that same sort of out of the blue occasion, when we are doing everyday things. But for me these thoughts come so infrequently I just can't remember, a guess might be once a year. I absolutely believe that it is not difficult to live enough in the solution, and have such a feeling about life, that the thought of drink might never come at all. Today's daily reflection states - “The willingness to grow is the essence of all spiritual development.” When we get a taste of what the book describes as 'walking in the sunlight of the spirit,' it is so sweet we will continue to strive for more, and even our best day of drinking can't hold a candle to that feeling.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:14 am

Except in rare occasion, people just dont go out and drink just like that, if (Again a Big one) they been honest and went through the process thoroughly and had a good psychic change.

Most of the time what happens is, they run into complacency. Thats where the issue starts. They pick up resentments here and one in the office and at home. And suddenly, they hit the blind spot and they forget the consequences. Just like the book says 'it clouds their memory" and they hit the bottle.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby D'oh » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:04 pm

Most of the time what happens is, they run into complacency. Thats where the issue starts. They pick up resentments here and one in the office and at home. And suddenly, they hit the blind spot and they forget the consequences. Just like the book says 'it clouds their memory" and they hit the bottle.


First off, By Here I hope that it is not By me or my opinions. If it is well tell me, or don't.

complacency word does strike home when looking back. Then slowly after 1 or 2, it turned to "That wasn't to bad, maybe I was making TOO big a deal out of this all.

But an even more easy slip I believe is subconsciously wanting to build on many little resentments/remorse's/fears, to try to justifiably drink to escape it. That I believe is is easier to Maintain Daily, even Hourly if needed. Rarely another will get under my skin enough to think a Drink is the only answer, but my Alcoholic thinking is always under my skin without being maintained.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby avaneesh912 » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:34 pm

The complacency I am talking about is being in the fellowship and not doing the real work (after the initial enthusiasm) just going to meetings, not doing the due diligence (writing inventory or talking to the sponsor whatever it takes to keep the internal space clean). And slowly letting the guard down. At the time we take that first drink or two we don't think of the consequences. And initially we probably are emboldened by fact that we are indeed able to handle a drink or two safely and that we are not alcoholics. Thats the false assurance the mind wants to believe. But then eventually it spirals down quickly to end up worse than before.
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Re: Is it really One Day at a Time?

Postby PuppyEars » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:06 pm

The end result of complacency does not always lead us back to drinking. We can become uptight pricks that no one wants to associate with as well. Alcoholics have committed suicide sober - among other awful things.
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