Documentary - The Anonymous People

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Re: Documentary - The Anonymous People

Post by jtggodqos » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:24 am

ezdzit247 wrote:Speaking as one who has never had any anonymity due to the fact that when her 8 year old son asked why he had to have a babysitter & where she had been going the last few nights, and was told, he was so ecstatic he went door to door in our neighborhood and announced to EVERYBODY that his mommy had finally quit drinking and joined AA!
off-topic, sorry. but that ^ right there is pretty epic.

how old is your son now?
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Re: Documentary - The Anonymous People

Post by ezdzit247 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:39 pm

Tosh wrote:Just to point out (from memory), I'm pretty sure the program was more about people coming out and saying they were in recovery, rather than being members of a 12 Step fellowship. There were lots of "Hello, my name is Greg, and I'm a person in recovery and I haven't had a drink or a drug for 16 years..." kind of thing.

And an actress saying "I refuse to feel ashamed because of who I am, I most certainly will not be embarrassed that I'm an addict, I'm going to tell who ever I damn well want to". Admittedly, she's flogging a book, but I still liked the attitude.

William White (who from what I've read on the interweb) appears to be a knowledgeable guy in the world of recovery points out that by being ultra anonymous, we're perpetuating the stigma of alcoholism/addiction and preventing people from finding treatment. (All my words; I'm too lazy to re-watch the program to provide transcripts - so beware that my understanding may not accurately reflect what the documentary is pushing).

I'm also from the UK, which has a totally different healthcare system to that of the US, so there's possibly blind spots I'm not seeing that you guys may see clearer?

If anything, it's made me think deeper about the anonymity principle.
Agree on all points.

I understand and totally agree with the need to honor AA's 10th, 11th, or 12th Traditions, even though many of AA's founding members set poor examples by flaunting their AA membership and blatantly engaging in self-promotion, especially Clarence Snyder. Clarence in particular did some serious damage to the fellowship by branding AA as a religious organization "at the level of press, radio and films". So far as I know, all of the public figures in the last few decades who have discussed their struggle with alcohol and drug abuse in their biographies and/or with the media have stated only that they are "in recovery" and have not violated AA's 10th, 11th, or 12th Traditions by associating themselves or their opinions with AA. I don't believe it's just a coincidence that after so many film and recording industry celebrities in California began to "come out" as drunks and drug addicts "in recovery" to the media in the late 70's, that AA meetings in San Francisco, Marin, Los Angeles and Orange counties began a phenomenal period of rapid expansion, especially Young People's AA meetings. I'm a pragmatist and results oriented and can't see any downside to this trend for AA.
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Re: Documentary - The Anonymous People

Post by PaigeB » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:46 pm

jtggodqos wrote:
ezdzit247 wrote:Speaking as one who has never had any anonymity due to the fact that when her 8 year old son asked why he had to have a babysitter & where she had been going the last few nights, and was told, he was so ecstatic he went door to door in our neighborhood and announced to EVERYBODY that his mommy had finally quit drinking and joined AA!
off-topic, sorry. but that ^ right there is pretty epic.

how old is your son now?
More off topic... I never had any anonymity when I was drinking either. On top of dancing on tables at times, my son contributed this gem to his kindergarten teacher...
Teacher: Give me a word that starts with B...
Son: Beer
This made it to his conference and when she told me I said, "That is a valid "B" word." :? :roll:

:) :) :) the sons stills lives and is 25 years old.
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Re: Documentary - The Anonymous People

Post by ezdzit247 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:58 pm

jtggodqos wrote:
ezdzit247 wrote:Speaking as one who has never had any anonymity due to the fact that when her 8 year old son asked why he had to have a babysitter & where she had been going the last few nights, and was told, he was so ecstatic he went door to door in our neighborhood and announced to EVERYBODY that his mommy had finally quit drinking and joined AA!
off-topic, sorry. but that ^ right there is pretty epic.

how old is your son now?
My son is 48 years old now and he still "outs" me.... :lol:
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Re: Documentary - The Anonymous People

Post by Tom S » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:43 am

Jeez you guys are a light hearted lot!
Lovely.

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