What does it mean to put principles before personalities?

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What does it mean to put principles before personalities?

Postby ThelonleyMango » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:40 am

I've heard my sponsor mentioning this phrase to other people, and i've asked him. He says, "You will find out once you find out".. and whomsoever I ask in the program, they ask me if i've asked my sponsor.
Does anyone know what it means to put principles before personalities? Can someone give me examples?
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby Blue Moon » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:44 pm

It means several things. Eg don't put anyone on a pedestal (including yourself), focus on the message rather than the messenger, don't let your opinions about a person interfere with your opinions about what they're saying, etc. Tradition 12 links into Step 12, where we practice these principles in all our affairs.
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby positrac » Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:23 pm

^^^^Bingo^^^^ well said.
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby clouds » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:15 am

It means to do the right thing regardless of how obnoxious other people are being.

In other words, for instance the principle of honesty. Even though everyone else around us may be lying we are compelled to be honest because our sobriety depends upon it.

How about the principle of admitting we were wrong. We have to go by that principle rather than allowing someone else to take the blame.

I'm sure other people can think of even better examples than these I have given!
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby marthamaree » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:20 am

For me it means keeping my eyes on the reason I am doing something and not getting side tracked. It works particularly at work. Sticking to our core values and not getting confused or diluted by opinions. I am 50 days sober and like this saying. I think it is about leaving my ego at the gate at work.
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby Tosh » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:22 am

There's some great stuff here.

I also think it means doing what's the right thing to do, regardless of other people, or what other people will think about me. I.E, the principle I'm acting on is more important than what any personality judges me for.

To thine self be true 'n' all that.
Come, come, whoever you are. Wanderer, worshiper, lover of leaving. It doesn't matter. Ours is not a caravan of despair. Come, even if you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come, yet again, come, come.” Rumi (No sniggering from the sex addicts)
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby Tosh » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:23 am

marthamaree wrote:I am 50 days sober and like this saying.


Well done on the 50 days, Martha. =biggrin
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby Roberth » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:47 am

Hello Mango. Behind each of steps, traditions and concepts are principles.
The Principle of 12th Tradition: The spiritual substance of anonymity is sacrifice. We try to give up our natural desires for personal distinction as A.A. members both among fellow alcoholics and before the general public. We are sure that humility, expressed by anonymity, is the greatest safeguard that Alcoholics Anonymous can ever have. (Principles Before Personalities)
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby PaigeB » Mon Dec 11, 2017 1:23 pm

There is at least one principle for each step. If I think "I don't like So-and So..." that means there is something wrong with me and I need to change my focus from them to ME. I can use the principles to help me define the situation and also give me something to DO to help change my mind.

We had a good discussion on this last year in this thread...
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=20869&hilit=steps+principles+Acceptance
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby marthamaree » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:22 pm

Well done on the 50 days, Martha. =biggrin[/quote]
Thank you and I just love and love the puddy tat!
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby Tosh » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:35 pm

marthamaree wrote:Thank you and I just love and love the puddy tat!


The slightly confused and anxious looking cat is a metaphor for how I feel on the inside. :lol:

Well done on the 51 days.
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Re: What does it mean to put principles before personalities

Postby avaneesh912 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:25 am

You do things for a totally altruistic purpose. Nothing in return. And when in service, you just do it and not broadcasting in every meeting how well you are performing that role. Being selfless totally opposite of our selfish self-centered alcoholic trait.
Show him, from your own experience, how the peculiar mental condition surrounding that first drink prevents normal functioning of the will power (Alcoholics Anonymous, Page 92)
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