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Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the group?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:39 pm
by ThelonleyMango
Most of the times i've asked about the 7th tradition, they tell me to read the grapevine thing that bill wrote in 1947 or something.
I've read it and im not quite certain I truly understand what it's trying to say. Something about not accepting donations? why not? if it helps the group then it helps the alcoholics right? And why is it so important to/for the group? :|

Re: Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the gro

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:45 pm
by Brock
Welcome to e-AA. What you have asked is a question quite well covered in the 7th tradition, and there is a large collection of history based articles on the web, going back to Bill trying to get money from John D Rockefeller. He was helped by him a bit but not as much as he hoped and expected. He wasn't happy about this, but in the end when it was seen how AA would do better without this money, Bill Wilson wrote - “John D. Rockefeller Jr. saved us from the perils of property management and professionalism. He couldn’t have done more.”


Being self supporting with one primary purpose, and not allowing the problems that follow accepting donations to lead it astray, is an important feature of the fellowship. Perhaps you will get better explanations from others, but it's late where I live and I just wanted to welcome you.

Re: Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the gro

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:00 pm
by ThelonleyMango
How nice of you to have taken the time.
Thank you so much!:)

Re: Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the gro

PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:26 am
by Blue Moon
It's vital for the group to remain self-supporting. Just a cursory glance at politics shows what happens to democracy when other people's money gets involved. By declining outside contributions, we decline outside influence.

However, there's more to the Tradition. I suggest you read the long-form, at the back of the Big Book. The AA Group should not accumulate funds which have no stated purpose, beyond a prudent reserve.

Re: Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the gro

PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:39 am
by Roberth
Hello Mango my name is Robert and I am a Los Angeles alcoholic. It important to AA as a whole as well to keep outside influences away.

Just a bit of history the 7th use to be “ put in what you can and take what you need”…. But those days are long gone.

Re: Why is the seventh tradition so important to/for the gro

PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:21 pm
by Cristy99
Hi mango!!! Glad you are here!!!

Blue Moon wrote:
By declining outside contributions, we decline outside influence.


It seems that more often than not, if a person donates money to a cause they expect to be able to say what is done, how things are to go, and demand certain favors. Kind of like when a really wealthy person donates a ton of money to a politician, the politician works to get special favors done for the rich guy.

AA founders wanted the sole purpose of AA to be helping alcoholics, not being distracted or side-railed by any other issues, as stated in traditions 5 and 6.

A genius set up if you ask me. =biggrin

Have a great evening!!!
Cristy