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by leejosepho
Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:32 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: PP 25-26 There is a Solution (Spiritual Awakening)
Replies: 15
Views: 12374

So, the solution involves a series of actions, changes or functions required for its successful fulfillment or end - the spiritual awakening. Yes, that is my own experience: "... we will never get over drinking until we have done our utmost to straighten out the past." "To get over drinking will re...
by leejosepho
Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:34 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: PP 22-25 There is a Solution (Just Not Drinking?)
Replies: 26
Views: 15347

Re: A Valentine's Story

Picking up from last year for just a moment ... ... so i could be comfortable in my skin. That is why I behaved as a I did for twenty-four years before I ever drank; That is why I behaved as I did during my seven years of drinking; That is why I eventually had myself locked up (by walking into my ho...
by leejosepho
Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:11 am
Forum: The Grapevine Magazine
Topic: What we were like-Alcoholics and God
Replies: 1
Views: 1883

Re: What we were like-Alcoholics and God

You will see that this article differs, in some significant ways, from AA history as we know it.
I tend to think "AA history as we know it" differs from what actually took place!

Great article.
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:59 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: Our children?
Replies: 16
Views: 3147

I have two daughters now in their 30s. I had abandoned them when they were 5 and 8, but their mother made sure they had at least some contact with their "father" even during the worst of my drinking. I have never told either of my daughters not to drink. In fact, I had occasionally given them sips o...
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 6:00 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XI-XII Preface (A Textbook for Our Society)
Replies: 23
Views: 17177

... a Doctor who saw in his own eyes the devastation alcohol can cause and was a key person to talk about the phenomenon of craving, the obsession (1st part of step1) and the spiritual malady (2nd half of Step1). Yes, much agreed: "The doctor's theory that we have an allergy to alcohol interests us...
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:33 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)
Replies: 17
Views: 11902

One way to at least try to see some of these things in perspective is to consider the differences between a general or an overall view of A.A. as seen from the outside as compared to a view from the inside of our "society" (the Fellowship) of anonymous alcoholics gathering ourselves together in our ...
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:04 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)
Replies: 17
Views: 11902

The ideas of "working" the Steps (utilitarianism) and "a god of your own understanding" (pantheism) cannot be found anywhere within "Alcoholics Anonymous", the book. Is that so? Yes, and I assume you ask honestly. The original A.A. experience is that of abandonment of self to "God" in a way that "s...
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:01 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)
Replies: 17
Views: 11902

In my own experience, there is a tremendous difference between "a Fellowship in A.A." and "the Fellowship of A.A." ... and please know I do not share this to be argumentative or to find fault. Rather, I share this only for the sake of anyone like myself who might both need and want nothing more, les...
by leejosepho
Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:11 am
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)
Replies: 17
Views: 11902

Here is what is actually "voiced" in our Basic Text: "Some day we hope that every alcoholic who journeys will find *a* Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous (anonymous alcoholics) at his destination." (page 162, emphasis added) I'd be interested to know why you think the differences are important? Gre...
by leejosepho
Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:53 pm
Forum: Big Book Study
Topic: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)
Replies: 17
Views: 11902

Re: XV-XVI Forward to the 2nd edition (Silkworth's remedy)

Our earliest printing voiced the hope “that every alcoholic who journeys will find the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous at his destination." Is anyone else here aware that is not a true statement? Here is what is actually "voiced" in our Basic Text: "Some day we hope that every alcoholic who jour...
by leejosepho
Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:09 pm
Forum: For the Newcomer
Topic: Are any AA agnostics/atheists out there?
Replies: 10
Views: 2237

LOL and on the other side of the coin I learnt that I did not need to believe to pray. Just prayed until something happened. Sure. The point I hope to make is that A.A. has everything rightly "backwards" in comparison to religion, at least as I have experienced each. In religion I was expected to "...
by leejosepho
Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:53 am
Forum: For the Newcomer
Topic: Are any AA agnostics/atheists out there?
Replies: 10
Views: 2237

Greetings to you, Luther. One thing I have found helpful here is to know we do not have to believe in anything or anyone at all in order to begin recovery (as long as we no longer believe in ourselves). In fact, it is perfectly fine to be a non-believer or even a great disbeliever in everything and ...