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by SoberInMI
Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:01 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: Am I an alcoholic
Replies: 13
Views: 10958

Re: Am I an alcoholic

Food for thought: how many people, do you think, who don't have problems with alcohol are kept awake wondering if they might be alcoholics? That exemplifies my point that newcomers who come in on their own already believe that they may have an alcohol problem. Only requirement for membership is a d...
by SoberInMI
Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:33 am
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Re: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

I believe the solution is ... to be forced This is plainly against the Spirit and the Principle of AA. Done arguing about it too. I don't come here for a fight. Most of us don't, but I bet you will find others who will. AA traditions don't permit the lending of the AA name and the AA name is a regi...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:50 pm
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Re: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

The consequence of your literal interpretation is that you are saying that AA World Services can lend the AA name and cause the ills described which are detrimental to AA itself, but a group cannot.. AAWS didn't lend anything to anyone. I neither said nor implied otherwise. My comments were not dep...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:21 pm
Forum: For the Newcomer
Topic: Cross Addicted
Replies: 19
Views: 9811

Re: Cross Addicted

I'd much rather hear someone struggle through speaking from the heart rather than (from their head). I agree. Our Traditions clearly state that the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. True, but the long form is more instructive and specifies "alcoholics." You want to argue...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:07 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: Am I an alcoholic
Replies: 13
Views: 10958

Re: Am I an alcoholic

To answer your question in the simplest manner look at the first step: "“We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.” If this is true for you, you might be an alcoholic. Personally, I was in denial when I 1st came in so I needed more convincing. The big book su...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:43 pm
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Re: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

The points are jumping around from interpreting shortcomings and defects, to drug users at closed meetings. I personally like the hard hitting discussion style of SoberInMI, but we often get new members here who don't last long because of it. They tend to come out shooting from the hip in different...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:32 pm
Forum: For the Newcomer
Topic: Cross Addicted
Replies: 19
Views: 9811

Re: Cross Addicted

The speaker said that only an alcoholic can share a common experience with another alcoholic. A drunk cannot relate to a drug user. That is an opinion, not a universal truth. Experiences vary depending upon the individuals. The speaker is right. I, as a pure alcoholic, cannot identify or relate to ...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:45 pm
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Re: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

Key word: "group". "An AA group ought never ....". Clubs are not groups. Clubs are not morally bound by AA Traditions, AA Groups are. Yours is a common error like interpreting the 7th step "shortcomings" as different from the 6th step "defects of character" because they are different terms that cou...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:01 am
Forum: The 12 Steps
Topic: Step 10 and a dry drunk??
Replies: 33
Views: 25065

Re: Step 10 and a dry drunk??

Usually the simplest answer, which is often the hardest to implement, is the best. So the question about being a dry drunk answers itself, but a newcomer may not see it without help. Newcomer is defined here as a novice or non-veteran, not just a recent joiner. Dry drunks are those who are "dry", or...
by SoberInMI
Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:28 am
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Re: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

I agree with you that "Alano" sounds more like Al-Anon than Alcoholics Anonymous. But Al-Anon also suggests a relationship with AA and its name takes us back to the same place: Alcoholics Anonymous. Al-Anon is "a contraction of the two words" Alcoholics Anonymous. Apparently AA balked at the letters...
by SoberInMI
Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:56 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: Can I get help interpreting a paragraph?
Replies: 76
Views: 45669

Re: Can I get help interpreting a paragraph?

I think you are close here: I read it as surrendering to "death" rather than fighting for "life". For this alcoholic, drinking would be surrendering to the hell of an alcoholic death, sobriety means continuing to fight for life. I interpret it to mean giving into or failing to fight one's disease wh...
by SoberInMI
Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:46 am
Forum: The 12 Traditions of AA
Topic: Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?
Replies: 54
Views: 36457

Alano Clubs - Breaking Tradition?

I have an issue: "Alano" Clubs. I have no issue with sober clubs per se. Lets start with the fact that Alano is short for Alcoholics Anonymous and thus violates the 6th tradition: "An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest p...
by SoberInMI
Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:12 am
Forum: The Home Group
Topic: What's the point of meetings?
Replies: 36
Views: 22126

Re: What's the point of meetings?

You guys miss the most basic point of meetings! While technically not an AA meeting, Bill and Bob had the essence or all the qualities and characteristics necessary for an AA meeting except AA sanctioning: 2 or more alcoholics getting together to try and stay sober. But the point is why! Why is beca...